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Re: My first 3D Printer is a Rostock Max -- Build Log From M
Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 6:21 pm
by Eaglezsoar
AndThenSome09 wrote:Wow, looks like I did a good job building and dialing this thing in! I'd say it was all relatively easy and straightforward with the help of genebs manual. Great job on the manual by the way! Don't think it would have been so fast and easy without it!
On another note I'm trying to figure out the settings I should use for slicer to print a stretchlet for one of my daughters, I'm guessing to set it with 0 infill, but how fast could I go with it? What's the good place to study up on slicer or is it all just trial and error?
http://manual.slic3r.org/ found by using Google Search.
Re: My first 3D Printer is a Rostock Max -- Build Log From M
Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 8:00 pm
by AndThenSome09
yes I suppose I could have found that myself! lol

Re: My first 3D Printer is a Rostock Max -- Build Log From M
Posted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 6:39 pm
by AndThenSome09
I'm having an issue where little pieces of plastic are getting stuck on the nozzle and keep depositing on various spots of the print which messes them up a bit. Any clues a to how I can avoid this?
Re: My first 3D Printer is a Rostock Max -- Build Log From M
Posted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 7:10 pm
by Batteau62
IME this happens when the slicing program is trying to do a very small infill between perimeters. The plastic doesn't get pushed against the layer below well. It doesn't stick, then gets carried to the next point in the layer where it doesn't belong. Especially at higher print speeds.
I've been using the tool path graphic in Kisslicer to try and avoid these kinds of small nit picky paths. I think it can also happen when your are over extruding, and the hotend picks up blobs that build up. Post a pic of your part let's see if any other advice is forthcoming.

Re: My first 3D Printer is a Rostock Max -- Build Log From M
Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 5:13 pm
by AndThenSome09
I need some help guys, my filament does not seem to be moving. When I use the manual controls and push the button to extrude 10mm filament nothing comes out, the motor is moving but is hot and it seems to be chewing up the filament rather than moving it. Does it sound as though my hot end is clogged, if so how can I remedy this issue?? I only have basic tools.
Re: My first 3D Printer is a Rostock Max -- Build Log From M
Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 5:35 pm
by dpmacri
AndThenSome09 wrote:I need some help guys, my filament does not seem to be moving. When I use the manual controls and push the button to extrude 10mm filament nothing comes out, the motor is moving but is hot and it seems to be chewing up the filament rather than moving it. Does it sound as though my hot end is clogged, if so how can I remedy this issue?? I only have basic tools.
I'll assume you've played with the temperature. If not, try increasing it 5C or 10C and see if that helps. Assuming you've already tried that, you should disassemble the hot-end and see what you can find.
I'd start by unscrewing the nozzle from the hot-end. Make sure you grip the head with pliers (but don't break any of your connections). Then, I'd remove the push-to-fit connector (with the bowden/filament still in it) by unscrewing it. You should be able to pull out the two PTFE tubes at that point. With those pieces out, I'm guessing you'll see the problem. If not, start posting some pics here and someone will help.
Re: My first 3D Printer is a Rostock Max -- Build Log From M
Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 8:10 pm
by AndThenSome09
should I take the nozzle off with the hot end at temp or let it cool down and then check it? I'm completely new to this whole thing and have never had any experiance with a hot end untill I put this one together a couple weeks ago from the kit.
Re: My first 3D Printer is a Rostock Max -- Build Log From M
Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 9:07 pm
by dpmacri
AndThenSome09 wrote:should I take the nozzle off with the hot end at temp or let it cool down and then check it? I'm completely new to this whole thing and have never had any experiance with a hot end untill I put this one together a couple weeks ago from the kit.
Let it cool down

. I'm pretty new to this as well, but you're in a great place. The folks on this forum are super helpful!
Re: My first 3D Printer is a Rostock Max -- Build Log From M
Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 11:26 pm
by AndThenSome09
Alright, I took the nozzle off the hot end once everything had cooled down and when I pulled it out 2 PTFE tubes came out along with it and the outer PTFE tube is cracked all the way along the length of it and another smaller spot. The filament had gotten too large to move through the tubes and also looks as though it was burnt. Should I contact SeeMeCNC to have them send a replacement tube or what, I've only had this printing a few days, not even a full week yet! I tried pulling the filament out but it just snapped off right where it starts to go into the nozzle, I dont know how to get it out or even if I should run it with the cracked tube. Here are the pics.
And here is one I tried to get going down the inside of the nozzle:
Re: My first 3D Printer is a Rostock Max -- Build Log From M
Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 11:42 pm
by dpmacri
The "crack" in the outer tube is supposed to be there. But it looks like perhaps things have gotten hotter than they should have. I think the tubes are fine, but you'll need to get the filament out of the nozzle. Is that ABS or PLA? There's another thread here:
http://forum.seemecnc.com/viewtopic.php?t=2861&p=23067 talking about ways to clean out the filament in there. If it's ABS, you can try soaking the nozzle in Acetone (Nail polish remover), but I'm not aware of a similar solvent for PLA.
Re: My first 3D Printer is a Rostock Max -- Build Log From M
Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 11:46 pm
by AndThenSome09
it is abs, how long should I soak it?
Re: My first 3D Printer is a Rostock Max -- Build Log From M
Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 1:06 am
by dpmacri
Well, probably until it all dissolves

. What I don't know is whether or not "burnt" ABS still dissolves in acetone. So you may end up with it mostly removed but not completely. I'm sure others will have some comments to help as well.
Re: My first 3D Printer is a Rostock Max -- Build Log From M
Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 2:03 am
by AndThenSome09
Well how bout that, lol

Re: My first 3D Printer is a Rostock Max -- Build Log From M
Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 9:17 am
by Eaglezsoar
The outer tube is "cracked" because the inner tube won't fit inside the outer tube without first slitting the outer tube.
All the hotends, at least from SeeMeCNC have the liners make like that. It would be a good idea to get a perfect measurement
of the length of them while you have them out so you can replace them in the future without too much hassle.
There is no set length of time to soak the nozzle in Acetone but I would try a couple of hours as a start. Happy printing!
and Happy Thanksgiving!
Re: My first 3D Printer is a Rostock Max -- Build Log From M
Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 11:21 am
by AndThenSome09
Thank you, well it's been soaking all night and will continue to soak until we are done with thanksgiving so it should be all set. Thank you an happy thanksgiving to you and everyone else as well!

Re: My first 3D Printer is a Rostock Max -- Build Log From M
Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2013 2:24 pm
by AndThenSome09
After soaking for the night and a few hours with some tiny pick tools and a very small drill bit powered by hand I got the hot end free from the clog! Back to printing I went. I printed out a stretchlet, it came out alright but not the best. The layers around the outside are very thick and choppy, I dont know if its because of the .stl file I began with or the way it was sliced but it did not have nice fine layers like my test cube did. I dont know, here are some pics:
Re: My first 3D Printer is a Rostock Max -- Build Log From M
Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2013 11:08 pm
by AndThenSome09
I was having a very hard time getting my first layer to stick fully, I got tired of failed print after failed print so I did some research and came to the conclusion that I needed to cover my glass build surface with Kapton tape and prepare some ABS Juice to use on top of it.
I added about 4 ounces of Acetone to an old fingernail polish remover bottle and cut up about 7 - 8 feet of natural 1.75 mm ABS filament closed the cap good and started shaking the bottle like crazy. Once that was all dissolved in there I had a fairly thick milky looking substance.
As far as putting the Kapton tape on the glass I found an awesome little trick which worked wonders, sorry don't remember where I found out about this but thought I'd share since it works so well. If you want to cover your glass with Kapton tape then this is how you should do it: Clean your glass with alcohol. Grab some sort of plastic Tupperware dish or big bowl, put a few drops of Dawn in there (im sure any dish soap will do its just what I had) and fill it up about halfway or so, doesn't need to be precise. Now pull out your Kapton tape and cut off a length long enough that it hangs over the edges of the glass a little. Take your length of Kapton tape and slide it through the soapy water fully submerging it and taking it right back out, make sure you dip the whole length so its all wet and soapy. Now just shake off whatever excess and apply it to the glass. The water allows you to slide it around and get it into place easily, makes it easy to but each strip against one another. Once in place then take a credit card or some kind of plastic card and squeegee the water and any air bubbles out from underneath it, just like putting tint on a cars windows, leave in place and keep on repeating until you have the whole area covered as you want it. Once it has dried a bit and is sticking in place pretty well then grab a new razor blade and slice around the edges of the glass to cut off any extra. Now you are done and you have perfect tape on your glass with no bubbles or anything. If you want to print on no tape then just flip your glass over. Pretty simple but it works amazingly well guys. Just thought someone may find it useful

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Here's a pic of everything you'll need:
Here's the finished product:
Re: My first 3D Printer is a Rostock Max -- Build Log From M
Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 12:02 am
by AndThenSome09
By the way, between the Kapton and a layer of ABS Juice my prints stick absolutely wonderfully now! It's like night and day, before a lot of times it wouldnt even print the ring around the object without lifting and being drug all over the place just building up on the nozzle, I think that was why my hot end clogged in the first place because there was so much built up on the nozzle that it had nowhere to go and ended up backing up into the chamber. But we r all good now!!

Im happy with the results, and my parts are coming out spectacular!

Re: My first 3D Printer is a Rostock Max -- Build Log From M
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 6:11 pm
by AndThenSome09
So I was having a lot of problems getting my prints to stick well to my glass, no matter what I tried I just could not get it to stick good until I made some ABS Juice but I had to put down a fairly thick layer in order for it to stick which I knew couldn't be right because everything I was seeing said that just a thin layer will do. And even then my prints were not coming out the greatest, my perimeters would not meet with the infill some of the perimeters were not even meeting (I had perimeters set to 3). The only thing I could think of was that somehow my Z height at 0 was just too high off the build surface and that my machine was somehow out of calibration, so I set out to tackle re-calibration of my Rostock Max which I have named "Midnight Delta"

I homed the machine and then took better care this time around in measuring the distance from bed to nozzle tip then added 2 to that number and came out with 365mm. Then I did the paper test in the center and subtracted 4.80mm from 365mm ending up with 360.2mm for my XYZ Max Lengths. Then using my scripts that were still set up from my initial calibration I went from tower to tower doing the paper test and turning my end stop screws until they were all the same and once they were I tested the center and wouldn't ya know it I am not the luckiest guy around and it was not grabbing the paper the same as the towers! So now I had to go through the fun of changing my firmware, uploading the changes, and then doing the whole tower sequence over and over about 5 or 6 times until it was right on the money! Ended up about 0.30 mm difference from what was there from the first calibration which apparently does make a huge difference because now that I have re-calibrated my Rostock, she is printing so nice! Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside it made such a huge difference! I would like to know how I ended up with the numbers I had before I re-calibrated! I must not have been feeling good that day or something!
Since I am printing so well I decided to implement
http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:87463 and I believe it came out good. I like this idea for the belt tensioner and think I will make the printed parts a nice blue to go with the colors on my Midnight Delta. Here is a pic of one of the tensioners:
Re: My first 3D Printer is a Rostock Max -- Build Log From M
Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 12:21 am
by Toyguy
Glad to hear the re-calibrate worked out so well. I'm thinking I'll recheck mine after another week or two to allow for any settling in on the machine.
Coincidentally, I am printing those tensioners right now too

Re: My first 3D Printer is a Rostock Max -- Build Log From M
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 12:24 am
by AndThenSome09
Just printed out these owls for my wife, they came out good except for they tops o their heads.
Not sure why the picture is uploading upside down??!